I hate this. Hate this. Hate. HATE. Well there you go. There are tons, tons, of other devices that are as slim, have more space, and cost less than the Nano. Yet you buy an iPod for the flashy looks and the name. You're right, it's not my business. But I do get pissed off when people buy inferior products for more. Better products and companies deserve the money if they manufacture a better device. It's bullshit that they can't compete because they can't afford to put a commercial on every single station 15 times a day.
Actually with Boot Camp now on the Leopard version of OSX you can run any (i believe) Windows application. http://youtube.com/watch?v=4kH5suKHY84
Yes, its very clear that im insecure about my choice. I clearly didnt state with any firmness my preference in an OS, and I definitely didnt provide any experience driven reasons as to why I like one over the other. Im so insecure in my Windows XP
Heh, let me tell you guys a story. One day when I walk in at work, I notice a brand new shiny new Imac (the one with the 24" screen) and I go "oooh, new toy, who's it going to?" a co-worker replies "our head of department, Sally". Right away I make a prediction in my head and see if it'll hold. So we set up this new Imac with anything she might possibly need for her position, we update it, install Office 2004 (all Macs at my job have office 2004 and none of the Apple "office" software is ever used). We essentially did all the work this computer should ever need for it to be out of our hair for quite a while. So we go ahead and bring it to her building, and I set it up for her and show her to work OSX. Now, some background: She used to have a PC. She decided that "since Macs look nice and I've heard they're easier, I figured I'd get one" (her words). So I go, ok, and teach her how to use OSX. We leave after around 1 hour of coaching her on how to use her new mac. Fast forward to the next day. I get a call from this same lady, stressed out of her mind, saying she doesn't know how to do X, Y or Z thing on her Mac, or that it doesn't do it, asking me how to do all this stuff. In the end, she just asks me, "Can you just put windows on it?". Yup So we put windows on it as a parallel so she can run both windows and OSX on her mac. Guess what, she is now solely using Windows for her work. OSX is sitting there in the background . The moral of the story: People are dumb, OSX isn't as user friendly as they claim, and I hate seeing people waste money on expensive paperweights when they could have gotten the job done spending a lot less. This lady only surfs the web and opens word documents, why the heck does she even need a new computer for?? *rants*
I think the lady you're talking about is the type of person where if she were to start out using Macs from the get go, she wouldn't be able to use Windows. I mean, ONE day of trying out a new OS and she gives up. Come on, LEARN how to use it.
The point is, Apple's hype machine makes people think that OSX is so much easier to use and better than PCs. The fact of the matter, and what I keep telling everyone who ever asks me about Macs vs PCs, is that they're DIFFERENT. You still have to learn, you still have to deal with the same issues. Maybe Safari feels like just jumping around in your dock without actually opening a browser window, maybe your wireless network from your Apple Airport just doesn't feel like showing up on your network list today. Maybe Steve Jobs sent some voodoo magic your way to piss you off, it doesn't matter, at the end of the day, I still get both PC and Mac users calling me because they need something fixed or need to be taught. They still come to me with stuff like "my printer isn't working" or "my computer isn't working" and my personal favorite: "I deleted this folder, was that wrong?" Personally though, I can't stand OSX's hand holding, it really does hinder my productivity. I do like a few of it;s features but for me, I'm never buying a Mac. Not ever. They just don't cater to my needs.
sorry but no http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPrWplpCQUQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v6knSCXMQM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgRq_ddLJbs no, not at all ..I bought it because it had what I wanted ..the fact that I trust apple/like apple products is no different than me liking Asus or Samsung ...but I havent heard a single person here complain about brand loyalty to companies like Asus or Evga or hell Valve ..some people just cant see beyond their own blinders why do you care? and if you can point out a superior product for that price range that has everything I need please point it out for the love of god, who's fault is that ffs? it's apples fault they hire good PR firms? why doesnt creative innovate instead imitate? why dont they come out with great marketing ..if Gap can re-define itself several times over why cant creative or Zune or whatever ..the ironic thing is that apple is one of the few american tech/hardware companies that can compete with the big international companies yet for some unknown reason most of the criticism comes from americans ..you'd think they'd want to support american technology over japanese/foreign technology like they do with the automobile industry
yes, but what can a ferarri do that a bugatti cant? Its called CHOICE and PREFERENCE. thats like saying there only needs to be one car on the maket. It gets you from A to B, so why have any others?
The point is that people make the Mac the "ferarri" in these types of comparisons when there's no good reason to do so.
Llama's foot meet Llama's mouth, mouth meet foot more foot in mouthness Quad-Core Intel Xeon NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT http://www.apple.com/ca/macpro/
I dont mean emulating an OS, I mean running a windows native program through OSX. You just shot yourself in the foot my friend. Why should you have to resort to a workstation computer to play a game? A MacPro with a monitor and 8800 GT in it will cost almost $4000 Anyway, the guy in the video was running on a lot less than that. Nyah.
When comparing the new Zunes to the new iPod Nanos, the Zune supports more video codecs, has superior audio quality and costs the same as the Nano. Yet what are people going to buy more of? iPods because people don't take the two seconds to research something before they buy it. Everyone has an iPod, must mean it's good right? Yes, bandwagons do speak truth. Obviously something shitty isn't going to hold 75% of the portable music business. There are however better choices. How pointless was this portion? How do I know what you want? You want a small, sleek music player with enough space to hold your shit. For that, look at any 2GB-8GB music player. They're all small and play music. I wasn't condemning Apple for having oodles of money to advertise their products, and I don't know how you read it as such. People should be buying the better products. This argument, this ten (+) page argument (which even when settled [it isn't 'cause you're a participant, but I can hope, can't I?] won't mean a thing) is about PEOPLE. Not Apple. At least for me. PEOPLE need to learn not to be mindless sheep and buy what they see on their TV box. "Hey Mabel, I hear those Macs are better than PCs because this commercial said it was!" What the ****? Can people not think for themselves anymore? Calling other companies' product "imitations" is out of line and you know that. In no way are all other MP3 players an imitation. If they are, all video games are imitations of Pong; all MMOs are a rip off of Ultima Online; all computers are an imitation of a ****ing Commodore. Slippery slope my ass; this is what you are insinuating. If people buy an iPod or Mac because it better suits them and their needs (as you claim they do for you), I don't have a problem. I do have a problem with bandwagons. When people can't see through the shit and when they can't make decisions for themselves. That is what pisses me off.
No. However, you'll find that generally gaming computers are for games :smoking: Infact, that doesn't change the point that unless you decide to spend $4000, you can't play games very well. And as for the first thing, isn't that exactly what the person in the video is DOING? Running a Windows only application on his version os OSX?
the nano is the size of a credit card and just a bit thicker ...apples and oranges and I chose apple, is that a problem for you? how you misread my response to mean Apple has more money I dont know, but you did even though I dont mention it once ..all I said was that they know which marketing firms to pick, the best firms are not always the most expensive, small marketing firms win awards all the time so every one should be driving a volvo instead of a cadillac or any other similiarily priced vehicle, because consumers SHOULD buy the bette product, that holds true for every single product ever made ..why spend $1 on bottled water when you can just buy a $5 bottle of perrier? you are doing exactly what you accuse others of ..only in reverse apple wasnt the first to market but they are the market ..they were the first to bring it to mainstream ..Rio could have taken the world by storm but they didnt ..it was apple, and the ipods design. Everything since has been a variation on the ipod ..they even for the most part look like an ipod http://www.hardwarezone.com/img/data/articles/2007/2206/Misc_Orient.jpg http://www.ubergizmo.com/photos/2006/10/nano-ripoff.jpg http://www.ubergizmo.com/photos/2006/10/nexx-nf810.jpg http://img.engadget.com/common/images/3060000000057303.JPG?0.40130090288706866 http://therawfeed.com/pix/zune.jpg ..same thing with the iphone http://lh3.google.com/_l2B5tvTbqM8/...I8j9vHfm1fY/s800/lg-ke850-vs-apple-iphone.jpg sweeping generalisation ftl ..it's the design that is most often imitated not the functionality nope, not at all ..you're just putting words in my mouth ..words I havent said you are guilty of exactly the same thing you accuse others of ..look, anyone who has used BOTH for any extended period of time recognises that BOTH have their strengths and weaknessess ..it's like the gamer that has a ps3 and an xbox360 ..he's not likely to slam the ps3 because it's the competition to the 360 ..he'll have come to the conclusion that each has their strengths and their weaknesses .. and I wasnt born yesterday (as you and your cronies are so fond of repeatedly telling me) this whole hate apple bandwagon didnt start with the mac vs pc commercials ..they've been around since the very beginning
Fine. I don't have a problem with people nitpicking over a few millimeters, if that's what's best for them. If it's the best for your needs, nope, as I've said before. We all know commercials cost tons, fluctuating a bit due to time slot. So it's obvious that Apple can advertise more (and advertise they do) than any other brand. Sure the design of the commercial may attract people (haet) but it's mainly getting the word out. "Oh a new iPod is out?" They think, not "what a cool commercial." I do not know why MS doesn't advertise their Zune more since there's definitely the funds for that. I really think you're misinterpreting what I'm trying to get at. Apple puts commercials out which gets them sales, good for them, I don't care. It's people that look at the commercial and without an ounce of thought go to the store and buy one for themselves, their relative, neighbor. Talk about apples to oranges. People should buy what's best for them. If I don't want an 80GB iPod, I won't buy one; I'll buy a 30GB, because that's what is right for me. What? I research before I make a purchase? DAMN IT, THINKING-FOR-MYSELF AND GENERAL LOGIC! GET OUT OF MY HEAD! Mm, yeah, thanks for giving me a bunch of images from Chinese scam companies. Next time we're having a discussion about PSPs, DSs or, really, anything electronic, I'll make sure you fill you in on all the scam devices that look exactly like the mainstream counterpart which are essentially plastic boxes that beep. So how is that imitation? Sure, it may look like it, but honestly, how else are you going to build an MP3 player? Screen on the upper half, navigation on the lower half. Holy shit, they should hire me at Apple, Rio, iRiver, Creative because I thought of something that makes sense. When the functionality is different, how is it an imitation? Talk about putting words in my mouth. You were born yesterday, Stern. There. Now you can say I told you that. Yes, each device has their pros and cons. But when looking at those pros and cons, I find (and a few others apparently) find that Apple's devices are inferior to the same priced devices of other companies, yet people blindly buy Apple's instead. Take, for example, my ZVM. Twice the battery life, terrific screen (compared to iPod's horrible, shitty-ass one; the Zune's sucks too), and lots of supported video codecs (I download a movie, and sync it to my ZVM and that's it... with an iPod? With a Zune? Converter time.) Possible con? It's thicker than the iPod. Maybe this is a huge ****ing deal to some. If it is, buy an iPod as that's what's best for you. It's the way I am. When I see people buying inferior products, it agitates me. And it's not only me. To other's the iPod is great and fantastic. Who do you think they talk to about it? Their friends and family all get an ear full about how awesome they are. This is what I'm doing. All I'm saying is "hey, you know what, step away from that Apple display and come look over here at this [IN MY OPINION] superior product." Crucify me for being a pompous asshole, not trying to [IN MY OPINION] help people, as you seem to be doing. This will be my last post to you on this, by the way. I don't care if you answer my questions or not, it doesn't really matter. We're two self righteous dudes that aren't giving up our stance. You've gotten a bigger reaction from me than any other topic we've come head to head on, so you should be proud that you made me post more than a one-two sentence post (or just call you a twat and have that be the end of it) as it's quite rare for me. I'm going to end this now for the sake of this thread, though I'm not sure what the OP meant for this. It's obvious it was going to turn into a debate, so I dunno. It's already gone down the shitter (familiar process) so I'd rather not continue plugging away. Twat.
- The Zune only supports WMV that an iPod doesn't. WMV isn't a much used file format and you would only have a point if the Zune supported AVI, which would be a big plus. As far as I know, no small-size player in the iPod price range supports AVI files, which means watching video on either is shit unless you wanna spend hours converting your shit to MP4. - Where do people come up with this sound quality argument against the iPod? Everyone says it, yet I've never seen anything to back it up. Talk about a fucking bandwagon. On the contrary, I've seen plenty of evidence that the iPod can easily hold it's own on sound quality. The whole sound quality argument is a bit laughable anyway, it's a portable media player that you will listen to while in the the noisy train/bus and such, hardly places where your listening experience would benefit from super high quality audio. Also, the limiting factor on audio quality is firstly the earphones - unless you have $300 earphones you'll run into the limits of your earphones way before you run into the limits of the audio chips on the thing - and secondly the quality of your music files. I got an iPod 5.5G 30 GB because in the end there isn't much difference between portable music players so it comes down to preference rather than objective superiority and the plus points of the iPod (usability and design) weighed more heavily for me than the minor plus points of other players. And yes, I do think design is important, though not hugely so. A cheap plastic $5 digital watch would work as good as any more expensive watch, hell it would work even better (the time on a digital watch is easier to read - my watch doesn't even have numbers on the plate - and usually has lots of other functions) but like an iPod it's an accessoire too. And yes, it's a status symbol, but unless you use a burlap sack for clothing and have never cut your hair being opposed to status symbols would make you a hypocrite.
Stern don't even start with asking Qonf how he can be annoyed by stupid people. Your entire existence on this forum is based around arguing with people who you think are stupid. If you didn't care what they thought, you wouldn't have 20,000 posts. And I'm not saying I'm any different, just calling you a hypocrite.
a zune is nowhere near the size of a nano, it's the size of a ipod not a nano obviously you do, you keep bringing it up bull ..Acer makes more money/is bigger than Apple ..Acer has an mp3 player ..why dont they have ads like apple does? impulse buy ..ever hear of it? and that is the case for pretty much any product ..how many games do gamers pre-order without having played it? do you sleep in a bed before purchasing it? do you use the toilet before buying it? anyways that is certainly not the case with every single ipod purchase ..all 112 million of them ..unless you have some source that says a large majority of the 112 million ipods sold were impulse buys? which proves my point ok even I dont believe you're that thick headed how many Rio/Zune/Creative knockoffs are there? yet every single iteration apple comes out with is different from the last ..why dont the other companies beat them to market? that's your opinion, it doesnt make it right ..I dont watch movies on my ipod so I couldnt care less what you need it for oh noes look there's someone buying a pair of plastic slippers!! there's someone buying vending machine coffee when they could have had a starbuck mocha-****ing-latte with a sprinkle of ass [/quote] the majority of the market belongs to apple technically you are in the small minority ..but kudos to me for making you call yourself an asshole ..I would have thrown in immature but pompous was a nice touch
And that's fine. The video codec is a big deal for me since most downloadable movies are encoded in AVI which then I can just click and drag to my ZVM. Yeah, the sound quality argument is a bit washy. I dunno. The normal person isn't going to hear a big difference, if at all. It's really the rate at which your music is encoded. Accessories is a big selling point too, I guess. The only thing I needed was a skin, screen protector and FM transmitter which I found all online or, surprisingly enough, in stores. True, there are no radios in which you can walk up and plug my ZVM into, but it's what's important to people, as I've said.
Apple make great products. Take the iPod for instance, it's good but it's not brilliant. You can find other MP3 players which can do the exact same thing for a better price yet a lot of people fail to recognise this.
But Stern likes the iPod better. Stern no opinions are "right". They are one's own and are right to them and anyone else who shares it. Qonfused's opinion on what he wants is right to his own. He never said you should share the same opinion. He has been saying you should choose what's best for you. Also, you are aware of the new Zune, right?
I use Macs at work (Visualiser), but at home I use PCs. Macs make for good workstations, because the OS kind of forces you (and everyone you work with) to work in a particular way, and that in itself can be beneficial for all concerned. Software wise is where macs fall down a lot because there aren't a wide range of 3rd party solutions out there catering to particular needs (especially fringe stuff), however if you run an office/studio and are looking for a relatively easy life it's worth considering using Macs assuming the software you use runs on them. For home use I'd say stick with PCs all the way, unless space is an absolute premium in which case you might consider buying a decent sized Imac and bootcamp it with a copy of Vista, as it will take up much less room than a PC tower. You're better off with XP/Vista as your OS at home IMHO because you've much greater access to software/games and it's more competitively priced than on OSX, plus the statements Apple make about how great OSX is with handing 3rd party peripherals (like Cameras etc) isn't quite as great as Justin Long would have you believe in the adverts. The downside to Macs for home use is the limitations of buying a near closed unit. 3 years down the road, the unit will have aged badly in terms of technology and you'll find you've limited options as to what you can upgrade (Ram at best with the Imacs) after purchase, unless you pay through the nose to pimp the machine out at the beginning (extras like more ram, bigger HD, faster processor, etc you pay handsomely through the nose for..). Despite all the hooplah that goes on whenever Steve Jobs gives a Keynote speech, bear in mind that despite all the talk (and there's always a lot of talk), Apple and Microsoft are not really competitors. Apple are a box seller (just like Dell or Sony), Microsoft are principally a software developer. The key thing is not really operating systems, it's the software that runs on them. OSX certainly possesses a lot of functionality but Vista is just as robust in my assessment. Also tech website reviewers are really about the only people who actively bother with all the fancy under the hood shit. Offices rely on people working as simply as possible , complications confuse them.
Apple? I cannot resist this thread. After 14 years as a loyal Apple/Mac user in the graphics and printing industry, I can honestly and unbiased say, I REALLY HATE THOSE DAMN THINGS! I cant stand that as*hole Steve (hand) Jobs either, what an egotistical prick. Mac by day (aarrggghh), PC by night.
Kadayi Polokov I have been using Mac in the graphics industry for 14 years. There is NOTHING good about a Mac as a "workstation". That is the biggest problem with them, under heavy load multitasking they fail MISERABLY. Starting with "the application has unexpectedly quit" and snowballs from there on out. I could write a frickin' book.
Lol, here *cookie* Professional at what?, inability to pass a basic IT course?. PC's are fine and thank **** most business' have common sense to use them. I cant say too much to your experience, I don't share it, but you sound so much like an advertisement I can only assume you exagirating. PC's. Bigger. Better. Faster. Stronger. Smarter. Superior in every way that I can think of, and only worth considering if your so technologically disinclined, your buying a fancy desk ornament rather then a functional practical tool. I've had many varied experiences with Macs and I share in common with some others here of a multimedia course that involved having to use Macs. They were absolutely dreadful. I had to drop out because the Macs wouldn't work. No work could get done by the class. The oly day anyone got any serious work done was the day we were allowed onto PC's. Lol yeah. Those millions upon millions of nerds, from housewives to rocket scientists. Those nerds who want something that works. Those nerds that like being smart with their money and buying something thats worth every penny. Those nerds who when they use a computer, aren't such slack jawed drooling apes, and know enough about IT technology to not be fooled by the trick of hand and a pure white Tate Modern piece of dross. Yeah. Those nerds. Wrong on all three points. Very wrong. Especially the last. I've never once had a BSOD on this PC in all 4 years + I have owned it. I've used Macs that will hang and die before even getting past the log-in. Many times. In the same hour. Edit: Oh and PC's are capable of looking nice. http://computer-reviews.net/wp-cont...uiser Mid-Tower ATX case with clear sides.jpg http://computer-reviews.net/wp-content/uploads/Sony VAIO VGC-RB50.jpg http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1933/23vk.jpg http://onoituaji.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/alienware_7500.jpg http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1369/555431838_be91a537df.jpg Modern art for those so inclined, much more engaging use of creativity then a Mac. http://www.bit-tech.net/content_images/2006/04/japanese_case_mod_sangaku/166_s.jpg My personal fave. http://www.bit-tech.net/content_images/2006/07/Extreme_Lian_Li_by_Ediejo/122.jpg we iz teh borg, in ur office astimulatin ur stuffs. http://www.techfresh.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/woodworked_case_mod_01.jpg http://www.techfresh.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/optimus-prime.jpg http://www.techfresh.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/alloys.jpg http://www.techfresh.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/beaver-pc.jpg A stuffed beaver case mod... http://www.techfresh.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/area-101-case-mod_1.jpg Very HL2-ish if I must say so. http://www.bornrich.org/images/bender-case-mod1_12.jpg Bender case mod...hehehe... http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncategorized/glasscase.jpg http://www.computerdefense.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/02/wolfenstein_pc.jpg EEEEpiiiiic! http://gadgets.fosfor.se/the-top-10-weirdest-case-mods/ And thats that. As you can see, yo can not only buy a variety of different styles of PC case, you can hire case modders who do his for a living to make whatever you want. Hell, they could probably mod a Mac tower if you wanted. Think of that?, the so called homogeneous Aryan utopian idea of style on the outside with all the hardware and software o a PC inside.