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Discussion in 'Politics' started by V-Man339, Apr 15, 2010.
I trust you too, RIAA/MIAA.
not cool, this is why i stopped the downloading unless i buy it or its free from the artist/developer/creator
I don't suggest buying things either. Not after the Sony BMG rootkit debacle.
**** those stupid things and the people who wrote them. Our government agencies don't need to be ****ing used as their copyright enforcement police. ******s.
Border searches of ipods? What the **** are they thinking?
"Looks like you have a lot of White Stripes on this thingy here. Do you have the rights to a backup copy of these songs?"
"Do you have the documentation to prove it?"
"Uh... why would I have that with me?"
"Alright, sir, we're going to need to talk to you in private. Follow me."
Federal involvement shouldn't go any further than it would towards any other form of theft or legal violation. Copyright theft isn't much better or worse than shoplifting, although the amount of money lost due to it is probably larger. Federal involvement should be proportional to the value of the stolen goods.
As for the privacy issue, if you're actively downloading something illegally, than you forfeit your right to privacy when you break the damn law.
Edit: yeah, they are being over the top, though. searching your damn iPod (unless they have a warrant for some reason) would be a bit ridiculous.
seems like everyone should just team up and start suing the RIAA and MPAA for breaking so many ****ing laws themselves. everyone would be better off with them gone and artists would get more respect
either that or a massive exodus from those two institutions and the people help create something better that we all can live with
For all the crying over the damage that a kid in Boston downloading a copy of some song is doing to society, when I look outside I see a healthy vibrant country that while it has its problems, is hardly stagnating, with people coming up with ideas, making their buck from it and changing with the times.
¬ _ ¬ @ the RIAA
The future's now old man and you aint invited.
I ****ing hate these bastards and this is why I don't feel a tinge of guilt about pirating everything possible with regards to large corporations.
$10 for a ****ing ebook on the kindle is ridiculous. The product has no distribution costs, costs the publisher virtually nothing and they net 90% for doing **** all.
Except shoplifting is different. Shoplifting doesn't generate a copy. It's taking from finite, tangible supply.
"U.S. Government Recognizes Benefits of Piracy"
They make more money every year and act like they are going out of business. I mean, if you read the list V-Man posted, they mean to lock down the internet until it's just an online store. Nothing creative can ever be done because everyone owns everything.
There's only one thing I really agree that isn't good, and that is leaked media. Some speculate they do this intentionally to generate more buzz and to have grounds for these crazy new laws. "our media keeps getting leaked, we must shut down the internets!" But nearly every single time, the media was leaked by an insider!
So are they doing it on purpose?
If not, how about stop giving out pre-release copies of your media? That should stop it right? Because obviously the people on the payroll won't leak it. RIGHT?
Exactly, pirating is like breaking into an art gallery at night, not damaging anything, looking at the paintings and then leaving.
It's really more like breaking into the museum gift shop with a massive copy machine somehow and making high-quality, glossy reproductions of whatever art prints they have in the store that you want and then leaving.
It really depends, when I (hypothetically) pirate films, I would delete them after watching becuase my hard drive is small.
Either way, it harms no-one if I wasn't going to pay in the first place. Also, it's only moral if you think capitalism is a system upon which you should base your morals.
I don't think corporations are beings that can be righted or wronged, just profit driven entities. 'Oh no! Sony made 5% less profit last year, how dreadful!'
Excuse me for not caring, and don't blame me for employee's being made redundant when the company treats and pays them like shit in the first place anyway.
I may not oppose capitalism as a system, but I sure as hell aren't gonna base my morals on it.
I dont think they will be able to make things like this happen, people simply wont allow the change. However, we all know how gladly people give up their liberty and freedom to the government (corporations) without question, so i fear that the future will totally suck.
MPAA & RIAA suck. What else is new.
not surprising at all considering the fore fathers of the people that run these groups also ran the USSR.
Oh, noodle. Theft law in both the UK and the US requires one crucial element for successful prosecution: it must be committed with the intent to deprive the victim of their property. Piracy deprives the 'victim' of nothing at all, except potential profits - which are not their property because no purchase (ie contract) has been made.
It's really pretty simple.
It's still lost profit. The media provided has a legally established price, and taking the media without entering the required contract of paying the damn price is theft. When you gain possession of a copy of the media, the legal contract is that you exchange however much money it costs. As soon as you gain possession, that money becomes their property and if you don't give it to them, it is theft.
It's lost potential profit, that's different from lost profit in a rather relevant way.
Say what you like, it's not legally the case, and there's no grounds for federal involvement of the sort you advocate. Legally and morally, theft requires the original owner be deprived of something they already had. They didn't already have those profits, whatever insane money metaphysics you invoke.
It's like opportunity costs. Really, what are they? They enshrine the mad notion that after an arbitrary point you are entitled to profits you have not made yet, and can consider them a 'loss', despite never having achieved them, either for reasons of contingence or for your own failure. And they say leftist politics is about entitlement...
Generally speaking I believe in the individual's ownership of their works. But possession is always nine tenths of the law and when that ownership becomes impossible to enforce someone is going to have to find a new way to start making money. The alternative is to impose impractical, repressive sanctions on the general populace without the necessity of guilt and with serious implications for civil rights and the potential for political policing - measures which, at the end of the day, will only serve to worsen the problem and make its perpetrators harder to catch. So much loss of liberty for so little advantage is unconscionable, especially when, almost without exception, it's actually in the service of entrenched elites and middlemen rather than the actual artists. This issue does not and has never involved any genuinely clear-sighted debate over how we can protect the rights of artists. It has always been about betraying capitalism's professed ideals by punishing consumers for the producers' incompetence.
When is come to music I think of it like this.
If you like a band you should pay for their songs and support the band so they can keep on making pretty music. Not paying for it is taking something that is not yours and pretty much a big F**k You to the band.
Not really. Depends if you're Metallica or not.
Harvey Danger has been around a long time. But new and Indy artists in particular often publicly state they want their shit shared (and I could provide a dozen examples if I could be bothered), and they are vocal about it. They also want you to buy it. But nobody will buy things if nobody knows about them.
Can you see how me sharing that Youtube video is beneficial to their career? How me telling you about some band you may or may not have ever heard of has released their album for free, is free "word of mouth" advertising for them?
Anyway, here's where to get their new album: http://www.harveydanger.com/downloads/
You can order it on disc in lossless quality, download different formats through bit torrent, and you can make a contribution (donation), if you would like.