http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/district_9/ http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/transformers_revenge_of_the_fallen/ http://torrentfreak.com/pirates-jump-on-district-9-torrents-090906/ no doubt about it
It has already made a profit of $70 million. Everything gets pirated these days. I don't see where the problem is. In fact, piracy has shown to boost the sales of some movie/games sales.
So because a decent movie made more than double its cost, which equaled what a really shitty movie made in a weekend, everyone's retarded?
Damn it that's a ****ing impossible move scout/spy pulls in your avatar Viper. God damn it. But yeah, I don't really see what the big deal is. Transformers was an summer blockbuster with lots of explosions. Of course people want to see that.
They were both decent movies but district 9 deserved better. Way better. I suppose transformers 2 is a wee bit more family friendly. Still district 9 should have taken a big, huge crap on tranformers 2.
I want to argue but then I wonder if I take the role of the guy being shouted at? ACtually is there any proof of that? I'd like to know.
Any proof of what? IQ scores have consistently risen every year since their inception. People have always been complaining about the moral decline of civilization. Ancient Greeks thought the younger generations were going to doom civilization and the end was near. Why? Because they enjoyed "lewd plays." The Civil War generation thought that their childrens' generation were doomed and that the apocalypse was near. Why? Because they liked to read "bawdy, dime novels," and preferred to communicate over telegraph than using letters. See a trend?
Not really (though I do find it funny that every one who is far too intelligent to enjoy a moment of Transformers and turn their noses up at every one who does can't go very long without making a thread or bringing up the subject), it's just people who go with the whole 'Humanity is becoming stupider and less cultured by the minute!' thing that bug me.
way to go and miss the point guys. i said the "average" person. and it was about how people paid that much to se transformers 2, which is by most respected standards a stinking pile of shit. and it grossed the same amount of money in a weekend than d9 did in three weeks. how the **** do you miss the point i'm making every ****ing time, is beyond me.
Perhaps no one thinks your point is important or correct? It's not really complicated or hard to grasp.
The reason District 9 is getting a lot more pirates is because an R5 release of it recently leaked (Pretty much a DVD quality copy), which usually doesn't happen until the movie is like a month away from DVD release. Transformers 2 does not yet have such a release - only shitty camera recordings. There's your answer.
Transformers is a sequel to an already well established franshise, where as District 9 is a completly original story that no one has any familiarity with. That's it in a nutshell. Even if word of mouth got out about District 9, it would never compare to the people that were aleady dead set on seeing Transformers 2 before they even saw any the previews for it.
Even though the thread isn't really about the effects of piracy, I'll just add this FYI: When the Monty Python team shared nearly all of their movies for free on the internet, people bought more DVDs. 23000 percent more. One important thing to note is that there were links to buy the DVDs on youtube. Of course, if someone is downloading something on the internet, it shouldn't be hard for them to seek out and buy the DVDs on their own accord. EDIT: I missed an important point here - The DVD isn't available yet.
The argument is whether or not people are getting more and more stupid as a whole because the poor and underprivileged have a lot more children than the upper class. Bad parenting (and arguably less people following organised religions) is leading to more lax moral compasses. Public education (at least in this country) is also going staggeringly downhill.
D9 is also a film with a huge appeal to super-nerds, who are also the people who tend to pirate a lot of movies. And it has very little in the broad appeal category. While my mom would probably find Transformers 2 annoying, there are a few things in D9 that might make her actually throw up.
Hay guys let's compare two films of completely different genre, completely different demographic, completely different SIZE of said demographic, completely different maturity rating, completely different amount of advertising and promotion, and completely different amount of already-established popularity in popular culture. Let's compare these two movies as if they were on equal footing and make conclusions based on that. Abandoning all sarcasm, Jverne, the point is that this says absolutely nothing about what the average person thinks is a good or better movie.
- Even if you accept that poor people are less clever than aristocrats (and yes there would be differences in education), poor people have always had many many many more children than upper-class people, partly because their children were more likely to die - IQs have been consistently rising and public education has only really been in its stride for a hundred years - For your statement to make sense you would have to qualify what lax morals are and then show that people's morals now are on the whole more lax than they were a hundred years ago. The thing about that would be inherent bias: if 'morals' was not having sex before marriage then people in the past would look a lot more moral than us because there would have been more societal pressure in particular areas. Now, I suspect that if you based your study on 'alleigance to currently accepted moral codes' - ie, do people actually do whatever they're told to do at that moment in history - you'd find that actually people have never been more moral (and perhaps never less moral) than now. You honestly think people didn't **** in the past because the Church told them not to, or that they didn't steal if they were poor, or that they didn't oppress and hoard even with the benefits of an upper-class liberal education? - And is parenting really worse, or do we just have talk shows now that put the bad parents up in the public arena? Was it good parenting when people beat their daughters and allowed them to be whored out to local men? THIS IS A DOCUMENTED HISTORICAL PHENOMENON - Or are you talking about only the last 50 years, and only in America? As insular as that is, at least it will allow you to get more accurate figures. But I highly doubt that these figures would support what you say. In developed countries, as far as I'm aware, literacy and education have been increasing even as birth rates (and, in Britain of late, social equality and social mobility) have been falling. By all means, come up with some numbers. - The idea that poor stupid people are literally OUTBREEDING smart rich people (are we all smart rich people here? Aren't some of us poor and smart or rich and stupid?) is so hilariously archaic and alarmist that it's very difficult to take seriously. - The idea that intelligence consists in liking what media you like and voting for who you vote for is deeply suspect. Even the idea that intelligence consists in liking what media is good and voting for who is good is pretty iffy. - If we're talking worldwide again, the vast majority of "poor or underprivileged" live outside the US and their consumption of US media is probably unrelated to their intelligence or lack thereof. WOW Basically, what makes you substantially more correct in your conclusions than everyone else who's had a similar conclusion for the last two thousand years? Come on. Show us the money.
lol "and arguably less people following organised religions" is the root of stupidity? I think you have it backwards! who knew being religious makes you less stupid ..it boggles the mind no, parenting is actually much much much better than it was before. in the 50's it was quite common for pregnant women to smoke and drink, discipline was only ever meted out at the end of a belt or the back of a hand, there were no baby safety seats kids ate sugar without getting obese and hell if you were stupid they failed you right out; none of this mamby pamby advancing the stupid child to the next grade so that he wont be socailly stigmatised for the rest of their lives whomever says "parenting is shit today in comparison to yesteryear" are either childless, dont know what they're talking about or both
You might be right. I think Phobie found a book for housewives from the 1920s that said pregnant women could smoke 3 cigarettes a day. But Stern Stern Stern was that all truly bad parenting? Or did it actually help the kids to grow up better and stronger by giving them a more intense life experience???
we have a framed newspaper ad in our office that reads "More doctors smoke Camels that any other brand. 15 to one more than the leading brand" and it shows a doctor lighting up on the way out of the operating room sure it gives them more intense life experience but fewer of them actually had this experience because they were too busy playing with lead or smoking cigarrettes and never made it to adulthood "now with more asbestos for that long lasting taste!" you should read this: http://iws.ccccd.edu/grooms/goodwife.htm
I mostly agree with what Dodds said, but: A hundred years is enough time for something to emerge, peak, deteriorate - which is precisely what education in this country has been doing for some thirty years or so (and, indeed, moreso since 1997). This is not 'grammar school education' for all, and I would strenuously challenge the claim to success of recent results: it's a mediation in cold learning between student and curriculum, and what we enter into becomes the stark difference between the intelligent and the intellectual.
Despite the level of piracy I suspect that District 9 will still sell like hotcakes when it hits DVD because as movies go it has Geek appeal, and Geeks love extras (I certainly do). It would of been a smarter move on the part of the distributors to have gone for a synchronised worldwide release though, rather than staggering the European release, because if there is one lesson Hollywood could learn from the world of gaming, when Geeks have a hard on for something (aka The Game Boner), they damn well want to have it at the same time as everyone else (I'm looking at you Doom 3, with your 10 day release differential and 150000 downloads).