Pretty...random. Like most of it, but this time it feels random too.

Fighting against them I don't find either to be all that brutal. The Cow Mangler is kind of blinding but it doesn't seem to be all that more intimidating than any other rocket launcher. I guess it's all about disabling turrets...

Transforms the soldier into a support class.

Soldier found one rocket, 2 remain. Do you think other classes will get items from those? Engineer is a pretty obvious option.

And here I was hoping that the Grockets had something to do with Raid Mode, lets just hope the last rocket to be open will release an endless wave of aliens and monsters

I love the predictable reaction to new weapons in the game chat. Giant red clouds of pew pew appear and people act like a bunch of communists stole their children.

Wait, what is this Raid mode that everyone is talking about and I've never heard of?

No doubt this will be fixed very soon.

I think the 4000 poly projectile is just something that the Steam Forums have pulled out of their collective ass without checking the models.

Wait, hold on. How do these new weapons even fit the style of TF2? This is just getting silly. I find the comic more of an excuse than an explanation.

Yeah that's the reason why I really don't like this update. I hope the other classes' weapons will have less laserz.

Well, this is absolutely terrible.

TF2 has once again jumped the shark.

Another thing that isn't in all of the numbers, like you said how the rockets are slower, but there is more that makes them easier to dodge. One obvious thing is that they are flashing blue and red. I don't think you see that in a battlefield that often -__-. Also, it has an extremely large tail. If you were behind cover, you would know that a projectile is coming. The problem with it is, that even though you have a crit, because it is so easy to dodge, you could just run out of ammo because you missed, and be put into a tight situation. I do agree that fire is a pyro thing. I think its balanced in a more practical way, but if your just looking at the numbers its unbalanced. I actually tested it against the default rocket launcher. Try comparing it instead of just using the weapon alot. I do agree that soldier is getting way too many weapons. It seems that this weapon is somewhat an opposite of the direct hit. The direct hit makes it easier to get a direct hit, and if you do, you do more damage. On the cow mangler its harder to get a direct hit, but it is capable with splash damage. If you nerfed splashed damage, then you would take away alot of the effectiveness of the cow mangler.

The new weapons are awesome and you people are stupid for not liking them. They have the first (free) new animations in I do believe over a year, they actually look and sound good, one of them has a new taunt, the retro-futurism thing fits the art style much better than a goddamn golf club, and they actually manage to be (more or less) balanced compared to the originals while actually being somewhat different. There is no possible excuse for not cheering this update on over the countless redundant melee weapons the game gets filled up with when the dev team is feeling lazy. Now I'm counting on the pyro and the engi getting some new weapons as well, and maybe a fancy Jetsonsesque lazer pistol for the scout and this is actually going to be one of the best updates the game's gotten so far.

A blind retarded paraplegic orphan can dodge the waves. The projectiles move slower. It also has a longer reload time. When you do the charge attack, you move quite a bit slower and are completely telegraphing what you are doing.

It'd be even better if they ****ed right off with these content updates and actually fixed what's already in the ****ing game.
And never mind that these new weapons make no sense in the time period and look insanely out of place with the game's art style.

The real problem with the two new weapons are their tails. When you have >2 soldiers on the server using the lasers, you can't see shit.
This is especially bad for snipers.

Overpowered they are not, though, as stated above the projectiles are really slow and easy to dodge.

All the better if we can get snipers to change to a more useful class.

Yeah TF2 was so true to its time period before this update, they completely ruined it with these crazy energy weapons!



I would agree that the particle effect on the Cowmangler is much louder than any other weapon, even a missed shot can drown your view significantly more than a standard explosion usually does. I wouldn't say the weapon is overpowered myself, a lot of soldiers have been spamming them today, but they don't appear any more threatening than a normal launcher. (though this may change as people learn how to use them)

I always felt that they meant to mimic the spytech of the 60s and not the 50s, especially considering the 50s really didn't feature anything spy related in popular fiction afaik.

But whatever, it's all fair game now I suppose.
The game is a shadow of what it used to be.

Back to playing TFC and yelling at kids to get off my lawn etc

I never knew people were so sensitive to something so mundane...

Whatever, I probably shouldn't fret with these inaccuracies. I've seen hats from as far back as Ancient Egypt in a game that claims to be set in the 1960s.

I got the Cow Mangler randomly last night when I logged in. I guess I had received it the day before and it just didn't get to me until last night. I think it's decent... but really only effective at shorter ranges because it's so ridiculously slow. I was doing a push match and doing repeated charge shots near the cart and around the spawn exit and managed to get only one indirect hit. Plus you can't "hold" the charge... you just right click and 4 seconds later it fires. The only thing that I think is really bothersome about it from all perspectives is that it's much more visually intense than anything in the game. Plus the explosions sort of stick for a seconds or two and you can't see through them. It's a neat thing but not really attuned to my style of play as a soldier. Black Box is more for me.

There are more weapons right? I haven't seen the pistol at all and there's a rilfe and another pistol coming along soon? Aside from engi stuff I'd like to see a pyro kind of alternate playstyle weapon. A primary that sort of brings them in to the mid range instead of being so exclusively short range... sort of like the huntsman brings the sniper in to the mid range better than the sniper rifle. Maybe something with a napalm launcher alternate fire that shoots a fireball glob that sticks to surfaces for a few seconds? That'd be neat.

For the Pyro I'm hoping for a high damage plasma thrower that shoots in short bursts (a few seconds). A longer range napalm weapons would be cool too.

What does the distance have to do with the damage? How is a rocket not universal damage over distance?

This a game, Starbob, that I assume you need to spend more time on.
The scaling of the damage over distance with the Mangler is so obvious if you ever play the class regularly. That lesser damage output is the sole reason I don't use it.

Ok the Mangler just came out and I only used it for like ten minutes... didn't notice anything like this. The point remains that the chart shows a decrease in damage over range for the normal rocket launcher as well. I don't recall ever seeing that.

All weapons in the game have damage dropoff. Or most of them at least.

That makes sense for most things, but not for a rocket??

I think it's to prevent soldiers from constantly instagibbing players with long-distance rocket spam. It's cool, bro.