Israel V Hezbollah?

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  1. CptStern suckmonkey

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    the establishment of the caliphate as a reason for 9/11 is a myth (propogated by PR firms in order to scare the bejebus out of people, post 9/11) ..according to Osama himself iraq is the caliphate ...so is the rest of the muslim world , so unless he somehow knew that attacking the twin towers would trigger an invasion of iraq I dont see how that can be true


    http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8E8EA580-943C-4FBF-9ABD-21B47627FECD.htm

    this was osama's justification for 9/11:

    http://observer.guardian.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,845725,00.html
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    Uhm, thats a quote of Bin Laden after 9/11 (October 2003). He's mentioning Baghdad as the seat of the Caliphate because the shit happens to hit the fan there (invasion = March 20, 2003).
    If it was Iran, he would be talking about Iran. The point is = its post-9/11.

    Wiki explains it pretty well
  3. CptStern suckmonkey

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    yes I mentioned that both interviews were from post 9/11 ...again read what Osama himself says ..there's no way he could have forseen the US invasion of iraq as a response to 9/11 ...no one would

    read his justifications, not once does he mention establishing a caliphate as a justification for the attack on the twin towers
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    He see's things very black and white I must say.
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    He isn't the only one.
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    They told them to flee well before they started the bombing, maybe if Hezbollah did not break into Israel & take the 2 soldiers none of this would have happened.
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    What if it was all planned ? D:

    *puts on tin foil hat*
  8. CptStern suckmonkey

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    they launched attacks the same day the soldiers were kidnapped ..that can hardly be construed as fair warning
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    But would you agree that Islamists do want to establish a caliphate? That isn't a myth imo. Check this site for example.
  10. Eg. Newbie

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    War of agression:

    # the use of armed forces of a State which are within the territory of another State in violation of the terms of an agreement between those States
    # a State allowing its territory to be used by another State for an act of aggression against a third State
    # a State sending armed bands, groups, irregulars or mercenaries to carry out grave acts of armed force against another State.

    Yep, sounds like Israel is just mounting a counter attack to its nieghbors agression.
  11. CptStern suckmonkey

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    I said that the caliphate wasnt a justification for 9/11 not that it doesnt exist


    hezbollah isnt a state
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    I still can't believe that WW3 will be started due to 2 soldiers kidnapped on each side. Its almost like the movie, "Saving Private Ryan". I wonder even if the hostages are even still alive! It would be ironic if both sides said that they killed their hostage, and they are fighting over nothing. I hope these hostages know that their lives are worth 300+ other lives.
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    # the use of armed forces of a State which are within the territory of another State in violation of the terms of an agreement between those States


    # a State sending armed bands, groups, irregulars or mercenaries to carry out grave acts of armed force against another State.

    combine these two and you get the situation with hezbollah. syria, sends in irregulars aka hezbollah, into lebanon. hez then attacks israel. While Lebanon is sadly caught in the middle, what israel is doing is perfectly logically sound, hile not the best morally
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    WWI started because one guy got assassinated*, so its not too much of a stretch of the imagination to see it happening again.

    *Admittedly, that is something of a simplification.
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    the causes of the past world wars was militarism imperialism alliances and i think nationalism. i for one dont support the US getting involved since that might bring iran and syria in the which would escalate into a WW3
  16. CptStern suckmonkey

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    you'd have to prove the state (lebanon in this case) sent those groups which it hasnt
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    I don't see WW3 starting soon, unless Israel goes nuts (moreso) and unleashes the nukes.

    Funny thing is, in that situation we'd be like:

    "Um ok Israel, that wasn't very nice or proportionate, but you've still got the right to defend yourself"
  19. CptStern suckmonkey

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    so if venezuela (or Brazil for that matter) wanted to invade the US because they harboured a wanted terrorist, they should?

    yes that's painfully obvious, and yet I dont understand why you or anyone else thinks it's ok to take it out on civilians
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    what on earth are u on about?

    no that would not be justififed, why would they invade the US & the US is not a state which harboures terrorist. DOH!
  21. CptStern suckmonkey

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    read the document, they did indeed harbor a wanted terrorist Luis Posada Carriles and Orlando Bosch

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Posada_Carriles

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_Bosch

    both paid CIA operatives ..also wanted for terrorist attacks including a bombing of a cuban airliner that killed 73 civilians

    Orlando Bosch was eventually pardoned by George H Bush (incidentily Jeb bush was also involved) ..however only on crimes committed in the US ..venezuela is still seeking extradition
  22. Saketi Newbie

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    Why is it always somewhere in the Middle East there is violence? is it because they are affraid to see themselves future progress? or is it just full of mind stunned religious freaks, who need to chill out & realise that its not all about religion. But about getting along with one another.
  23. CptStern suckmonkey

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  24. gh0st Newbie

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    its not ok... but it happens.

    ok cuba is not our friend. venezuela is not really our friend. we kept a terrorist from people who ARENT our allies? we dont (or shouldnt) extradite people to countries we arent allies with. i admit im not familiar with the situation so if you know something i should know, please tell.
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    They're my freinds ;)
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    I hope you bought your Che T-shirt from the Cuban Solidtarity Foundation or something. Someone I know did that, and I was all like "Class traitor!" and he was like "Au contraire! The proceeds go directly to Castro!" Then we both paused, and said "Shit!" at the same time.
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    I don't have one :(
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  29. Eg. Newbie

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    Im not saying it sent in hezbollah, I am saying that syria has committed a war of agression by the first clause, directed towards lebanon. and according to the second clause, towards israel. if anything, saying that israels nieghbors are not agressive towards it is foolish, and to survive israel must be agressive itself
  30. CptStern suckmonkey

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    the US has had an extradition treaty with venezuela since 1922

    http://www.oas.org/JURIDICO/MLA/en/traites/en_traites-ext-usa-ven.pdf


    all the information you need is contained in the links I provided


    "We've sent a message that is understood throughout the world: if you harbor a terrorist, if you support a terrorist, if you feed a terrorist, you're just as guilty as the terrorists" - George W Bush, August 26, 2003
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    Israel's only "mistake", is that it has "an eye for an eye" policy. Its more or less the policy of the entire middle-east so it "fits pretty well". :/
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  33. CptStern suckmonkey

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    I dont understand how you can say this current conflict is an eye for an eye

    I'd call it disporportionate


    and this is the kicker for me:

    "measured response" my ass ..who exactly are they aiming at?
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    You see they dropped leaflets telling everyone in southern lebanonb to leave? How exactly when they bomb all the bridges...
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    Very good point.

    -DaMaN
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    More like 'an arm and a leg for an eye'.
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    You see the bastards bombed 3 Lebonese hospitals, just read it in todays guardian... that's disgraceful.
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    Really! try writing a sentence next time with your own words. And anywer the questiomn Why is it Violence always erupts in the Mid east, is it bcos they're affraid to moveup in life or they are thick headed with religious crap!

    And the reason so many civi's are been killed is b'cos the Hezbollah group is hiding in between the civi's, COWARDS! Just like the Iraq Insurgents.
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    A opinion disguised as a question that is not even a question.
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