Israel V Hezbollah?

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  1. gh0st Newbie

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    no stern is saying the terrorists are justified in nuking seattle because we ****ed afghanistan and iraq up. which is brilliant logic if you think about it.
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    No, CptStern was comparing the proposed: "like lebanon should have done something about hezbollah or they wouldnt be getting stomped out. too little too late." with nuking Seattle in response to the Bush Administration.

    Essentially, CptStern is saying that if it's O.K. for Israel to invade and bomb Lebanon because of the presence of Hezbollah, it is O.K. for Iraq and Afghanistan to nuke Seattle because of the presence of the Bush Administration. And yes, it is brilliant logic, though not completely accurate due to the fact that Lebanon has less power than Israel, but Afghanistan and Iraq have less power than the U.S. Still a very valid and logical point.

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  3. CptStern suckmonkey

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    what DaMan said


    ah gh0st first you try to peg me as anti-semitic (funny coming from you) and now you're saying I'm justifying nuking seattle :upstare: ...vancouver is pretty nice, I'd like it to remain that way :E
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    Yep. Saw that it was rated the number one city in the world. ^_^ I wouldn't mind living there.
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    Heh, I DO live there!

    Hope it doesn't get too trashed for the 2010 Olympics... but we'll cross that bridge when we burn it. ;)

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    Well the ground war has begun. Israel is now moving into Lebanon, but only to search out tunnels and stuff.
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    They're getting new missiles from Syria and Iran. And we're not talking about simple Kassams or Katyushas here.
  8. CptStern suckmonkey

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    there's no direct proof they're supplying them ..they could have had them for years

    http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/07/19/news/missile.php

    even if they are supplying it doesnt justify attacking either syria or iran ...no moreso than attacking the US because they supply israel
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    No direct proof, heh. Of course there isn't. The proof has been destroyed.

    And yes, it does justify attacking them. HizbAllah is a proxy force of Iran and Syria.
  10. CptStern suckmonkey

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    ya that must be it ..lets start a region wide war on mere circumstantial evidence



    no it doesnt, it's against international law: war of aggression
  11. Nemesis6 Newbie

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    You know nothing about international law. Unless you're willing to proove to me that you're an expert, what you present as international law is little more than your own interpretation of a limited portion of it.
  12. CptStern suckmonkey

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    burden of proof buddy, read the link it says exactly what I'm saying it does
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    Last Friday an Israeli Warship was impacted by a C-802, an Iranian-made variant of the Chinese Silkworm.

    Sorry, they couldn't have gotten it from anywhere else.
  14. CptStern suckmonkey

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    read the article, they could have had it for some time
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    Highly, highly doubtful.

    Even if they did, the maximum they've had to build up an aresenal THAT large is 6 years. Israel pulled out of Lebanon in what? Late 99 or 2000 right? That's not that long ago. Either way they did get them and are acquiring them from Syria/Iran. They did come from them.
  16. CptStern suckmonkey

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    and if they did? how is that any different than the US supplying israel?
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    Because the US isn't bent on destroying the free world.
  18. CptStern suckmonkey

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    please, there is no other single destabilising force in the world to compare with the US ...they've had their hands in bloody coups, wars, regime changes etc for over 50 years. Their rogues gallery of despots they've supported over the years reads like a who's who of madmen of the 20 th century. From Papa Doc Duvalier to Patrice Lumumba to General Suharto to Castelo Branco to saddam hussein
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    Hezbollah is a terrorist organization.

    That's like asking how the US helping to build up Taiwan's defenses is different than certain nations supplying Al Qaeda with rockets.
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    Tactics change over different circumstances. I get your point though.
  21. CptStern suckmonkey

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    ...so should venezuela invade the US?


    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB153/

    http://www.iacenter.org/Venezuela/carriles_0605.htm

    terrorist on CIA payroll kills cuban and venezuelan civilians ..the US refused to extradite and even went so far as to pardon the person who actually planted the bomb: Orlando Bosch, despite admitting to his crimes several times, some on US soil
  22. delusional Tank

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    patrice lumamba wasnt supported by the US he was supported by the USSR and at that time USSR was a destabilizing force too
  23. CptStern suckmonkey

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  24. delusional Tank

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    funny thats where i got information on who lumamba is
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    I hope Hezbollah is killed.

    Hezbollah during the Lebanese war (1982-1990)

    Combat Operations

    After emerging during the civil war of the early 1980s as an Iranian-sponsored second resistance movement (besides Amal) for Lebanon's Shia community, Hezbollah focused on expelling Israeli and Western forces from Lebanon. It is the principal suspect[citation needed] in several notable attacks on United States, French and Italian Multinational forces, whose stated purpose was the stabilization of Lebanon: the suicide bombings of the U.S. Embassy, which killed 63, including 17 U.S. citizens; of the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut (see 1983 Beirut barracks bombing), which killed 241 U.S. servicemen; and of the French multinational force headquarters which killed 58 French troops.

    Proves that the Lebanese goverment did not or could not interup the Hezbollah organisation, they had thier own TV Station..Al Manar.

    And here is some interesting info on the TV Station & Hezbollah.
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    Instead of reading about it, try watching it for yourself. Here's a site that shows translated media from the Arab and muslim world in general: http://memritv.org

    Go to Search, and set TV Station to Al-Manar and hit Search.

    By the way, Al-Manar's building was also struck by an airtrike! :bounce: :cheese:
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    I found an interesting irony of the current situation, Israeli terrorists in 1947 kidnapped and executed 2 british soldiers.

    source
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    Great post!
    Hezbollah's end, will be a gift to the middle-east.
    I do have my doubts about the current Israeli method, and if it will even be succesfull, since the nasty part about Terrorism, is that they are constantly pushing for a military response.
    Along with hiding/camping amongst civilians they are simply fighting a media-war by luring the opponent to hit civilians.
    In this case, they're winning it too.
    There are countless examples with the biggest one being 9/11. Strange but true, countries seem to always fall for this terrorist strategy.

    Well, i'm off to bed, hope the crisis does not expand, and a cease fire will commence asap.
    :(
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    History repeats itself as usual.
  30. CptStern suckmonkey

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    what? you cant possibly be serious? so you're saying israel isnt to blame for firing indescriminately, that it's hezbolah's fault. If that were true why have only 2 terrorists have been killed ..surely they hit more than 2 targets since last thursday

    again you seem to be saying that Israel is justified in whiping out 100 civilians for every terrorist killed? you've got a lot of chutzpah I'll give you that


    wait a sec and let me try to get this straight ...you're saying that in the case of 9/11 al qaeda destroyed the twin towers because they knew the US would respond by bombing civilians in turn making the US look bad? ...that makes zero sense, why go to all that trouble to make them look bad ..that's not waging war that's just being stupid
  31. Crazy Horse Newbie

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    I think both Israel and Hezbollah are to blame. I think it will be very interesting to see what will come of this situation.
  32. delusional Tank

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    hezbollah is operating within civilian areas because they know if they're bombed the western world will begin to sympathize for lebanon and frown upon israel which seems to be working and who says the civilians arent to blame since they are living in areas where hezbollah is operating and should flee since the place will most likely bombed
  33. CptStern suckmonkey

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    the available evidence doesnt support your statement:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/18/AR2006071800730.html

    if they're hitting only hezbollah targets then why such a high disparity between civilian deaths and hezbollah deaths? ...if they're using precision weapons, which they are* .. then why only 2 out of 227 dead?



    * "Some of the same technologies that the U.S. military used to kill Abu Musab al-Zarqawi are playing a critical role in Israel's new campaign against Hezbollah. The Israeli air force has brought to bear strike aircraft armed with laser- and satellite guided bombs and toting sophisticated targeting pods."

    http://www.defensetech.org/archives/002586.html


    here read this

    http://blog.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/2006/07/understanding_israeli_and_leba.html
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    doesnt change the fact that they operate within civilian areas because their main headquarters is in southern suburbs of beirut and also most of the targets are freeways and airports and other places to cripple infastructure
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    The statement: "Hezbollah operates within civilian areas because their main headquarters is in southern suburbs of Beirut." doesn't address the point that 230 civilians have been killed for 2 Hezbollah.

    And, if the current goal of Israel is to eliminate Hezbollah, how is destroying infastructure going to help? (Not to mention that the entire offensive is illegal and immoral)

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  36. delusional Tank

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    how is it illegal and morality is relative not to mention irrelevant israel warned the civilians to flee and its not like israel is targeting civilians
    when israel is targeting lebanons infrastructure isolates hezbollah
    not to mention that there are over a million civilians and at most 2000 guerrilas and most of these people are insufficiantly trained because they were civilians (theres only about 500 guerrelas who were training over the years)
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    When Palestine elected HAMAS, they knew what they were doing. So now they must reap what they sow. Same way the UK and US must accept that the death of their soldiers was down to their stupidity.
    Although, at the end of the day, all religion is ****ing stupid and dangerous.
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    No, i didnt say that.
    I'm saying its a terrorist tactic, pretty common too. Their support increases by the anger of civilians.
    I'm also not saying Israel is justified in whiping out 100 civilians, just saying that they're justified in whiping out Hezbollah since nobody else seems to be able to do it (like uhm, Lebannon).
    I have my doubts on their tactics, for alot of civilians get hit, but then again, how to get rid of Hezbollah, Lebannon cant do it, perhaps an international taskforce, though i doubt that would help effectively either.

    Also, please dont act as if Israel is deliberatly trying to whipe-out Lebanese civilians, I know you're much smarter than to think that.
    Israel is just using poor tactics to destroy Hezbollah. Kind of like shooting a fly with a cannon.

    Also, at the beginning of the crisis, when Hezbollah captured the soldiers they fired mortars and rockets into Shelomi wounding 5 civilians, as a diversion attack.
    When Israel attacked the Beirut airport disabling it, Hezbollah responded by firing barrages of rockets into Israeli towns, including the long distance rockets fired into Haifa. Yet again, killing and wounding civilians.
    The only reason it hasnt scaled up, is because of the lack of effective weapons.

    For a nice read on the events = Here ya go

    Note: i still think Israel's response is out of proportion, and another tactic would have been better, but it is Hezbollah who is the aggressor, who is largely responsible and needs to be destroyed.

    No, in alot of terrorism cases, from Munich to 9/11 one of the goals is to focus the worlds attention to the crisis they're (terrorists) fighting/supporting.
    Munich was to focus the worlds attention to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

    As for 9/11, one of the goals was to lure America into attacking the Middle-East:

    SOURCE

    Ofcourse the main goal is to punish whoever for whatever.
    :angel:
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    I found this alert from FAIR to be an interesting read.

    * Note: i still think Hezbollah response is out of proportion, and another tactic would have been better, but it is Israel who is the aggressor, who is largely responsible and needs to be destroyed. *
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    Haha.
    Isreal bomb all the roads and bridges, bomb random viechles, then tell people to flee... where to? How?