Fallout 3: New screenshots from OXM US

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  1. Tagaziel

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    http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41454

    Waiting for the inevitable Kyorisu's "**** YOU GUYS AND YOUR FAMILIES" post.

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  2. Jintor

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    Holy shit, Grizzly offers his good opinion!

    World implodes!
     
  3. Tagaziel

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    Nah, just Kyorisu, I think he won't be able to...

     
  4. 99.vikram

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    Well, at least Brother None isn't as rabid this time. Although DarkLegacy and DarkPhilly more than make up for it.

    It hurts me when such 'tards call themselves fans of something. They aren't fans, and never were. They probably would have ganged up to worship some other cult classic if Fallout 3 hadn't been announced.
     
  5. Tagaziel

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    Kharn ain't generally rabid. He is the one who disciplines everybody and, together with SuaSide, responsible for creating an honest, moderate preview, which is neither sucking off Bethesda (as most out there) nor trashes it.
     
  6. Kyorisu

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    Why would I do that?

    lol nice.

    Screenshots are nice but I bloody well hope they do better than Oblivion's yawn inducing character animations. By which every person you speak to looks entirely life less.
     
  7. Tagaziel

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    Since pretty much your every post in F3 threads is "lol NMA sucks".
     
  8. Kyorisu

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    That must have been another me.
     
  9. jimbo118

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    Looks cool. Shame devs still can't make rubble look anything better than a grey blob texture.
     
  10. Gargantou

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    It's a shame reading that thread seeing all the people whine, as though Bethesda OWES them something..

    Anyway I think the screens look good, I look forward to playing Fallout 3, make no mistake I doubt it'll be anywhere as good as Fallout 1, but I do believe it will be a fairly amusing game.
     
  11. Warbie

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    That looks awesome :)
     
  12. Gargantou

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    I've noticed sea, I feel honest to God, that how much the Fallout-fanboys whine is amazing, Bethesda aren't forcing them via gunpoint to buy Fallout 3, are they?

    If you don't like how Fallout 3 turns out, DON'T BUY IT, simple as that.

    It'd be great if some of the people on that forum put as much energy into making the world a better place as they do into bashing Fallout 3.:)
     
  13. Warbie

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    Obviously he wasn't bashing you, as can be seen in the words in his post ;)
     
  14. Kyorisu

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    By lining them up and pushing them off a cliff one by one? That's how I'd do things.
     
  15. Gargantou

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    Nono, I was not accusing you, I meant the people on the NMA forums.:)
     
  16. Tagaziel

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    Uh, no. That's an idiot's claim we/I repeatedly disproved.

    If you would actually read the forums, you would notice that mindless bashing is the domain of >50 post people who try to fit in. And get repeatedly chastised for being anal.

    Most of the people who have been on the boards for at least a year or so are much more moderate and intelligent. Except for a few oddities, but that's another story (Sorrow's getting the ban soon).

    It also seems the lot of you can't possibly comprehend the meaning of the term "sequel to a non-mainstream hardcore RPG series" properly.
     
  17. Kyorisu

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    I know I can and Beth seems to know what they're doing to push Fallout into the mainstream category. There's very little point these days in producing a title for a niche market short of being an indie production. After all development costs and expectations from the receiving public just keep on rising.
     
  18. Tagaziel

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    Mainstream doesn't have to mean "dumb down" and you know it.
     
  19. Narvi

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    I'm amazed. You actually like the screenshots. Bethesda must be doing something right!

    It looks very pretty, tell you the truth. I'm glad they didn't go for the STALKER DARK model.
     
  20. Kyorisu

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    I know I didn't say that. I know very little about the title. Otherwise yes I would say mainstream would involve quite a lot of dumbing down. Surely you can't seriously expect the majority of consumers to be smart individuals who enjoy a product with depth? The only solution I can think of is to cater to both kinds of player at once, it's been done before. Have the depth there for those that want it and the "click boom" for everyone else.
     
  21. Warbie

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    But it does mean accessible, which doesn't always mean dumbed down.

    Everything we've seen of Falout 3 looks pretty decent. Does it really matter if they take some liberties with lore? See it as a dfferent interpretation if you like, or just don't be invested enough to care in the first place ;)
     
  22. Gargantou

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    You have obviously not seen my posts where I bash Oblivion because of how thoroughly it shits over ES lore established in Daggerfall and Morrowind(And Morrowind exp. packs).

    But I do admit that I did a stupid generalization, my apologies.
     
  23. Tagaziel

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    Which is all I ask.

    Fallout was accessible. Dude, I was eight or so and still didn't understand English perfectly, and had no problems finishing it. I still remember my first char... ah, the memories.

    Does it really matter if the G-Man turns out to be a rabid cosmic bunny?

    You know I can't stay mad at you, butt-baby. <3
     
  24. Kyorisu

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    Well I have no problems waiting to find out how they've gone about things. However I look at the it I don't see them making any crucial design changes no matter how many people yell at them.
     
  25. Asknoone

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    I don't think “dumbing down” is necessarily a bad thing.
     
  26. Tagaziel

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    That was Roshambo, an ex-admin (he left because he thought we were too "soft") and long-time RPG developer.

    Yes, yes, I know you like games that solely consist of pressing a big button named "WIN THE GAME".
     
  27. Asknoone

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    Actually it's all about todays market. Games need to be more accessible – especially for the average gamer, arguably the most important person buying your game. You'd be very, very surprised by how few people make it through to the end of the game.
     
  28. Tagaziel

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    Which doesn't mean games should be dumbed down.
     
  29. Asknoone

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    Games should be pick up and play and accessible. This isn't “dumbed down”.
     
  30. AHA-Lambda

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    Yeah I agree with samon on that one
     
  31. Tagaziel

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    So? You said it yourself that "dumbing down isn't necessarily bad". Acessibility doesn't mean it should be dumbed down a'la Bioshock.

    Fallout was and is accessible. Character creation is an integral (and fun) part of the game.
     
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    huurf duurf

    It's definately not accessible by today's standards; I bet if you sat down an average gamer at Fallout today and told 'em to let rip, they'd just get frustrated with the UI or the horrible rat cave or the random world map encounters or the tedious turn-based combat. You need to look past quite a few annoyances to appreciate what Fallout does so endearingly.
     
  33. Asknoone

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    Agreed. A very, very small minority would bother seeing it through the first level, nevermind the end.
     
  34. Tagaziel

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    So basically rip out important gameplay mechanics (random encounters and turn based combat)? The latter isn't even tedious, as long as you don't try to get into massive battles, like hitting a random townsman intentionally or picking a fight in the Cathedral or the Mariposa.

    Real time combat isn't the answer. Never was, never will be.
     
  35. Warbie

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    I think you're a little blinkered concerning Fallout's deficiencies. It was a great game, but never something i'd describe as accessible, and as pc as pc games get - which is why it was cool. A faithful reinvention would be awesome, but it would have to improve on the original in more than a few areas for it pass scrutiny today.
     
  36. Sulkdodds

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    Dogmeat <3
     
  37. Tagaziel

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    In which ways was Fallout inaccessible?
     
  38. Warbie

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    Turnbased is enough to put hordes of people off all by itself.
     
  39. Asknoone

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    And when you're trying to appeal to the mass market that is, quite simply, an absolute no go. You can't appeal to a very small minority of gamers who want turn-based combat and to hell with real time combat. It isn't doable.

    Games have to be pick up and play; everyone should be able to play from start to finish and find the game accessible and accommodating. By todays standards Fallout is far from accessible. You can have depth to your game – it just doesn't need to come in the form of complex interfaces and tedious combat. As a developer you're appealing to a far broader audience now and that does have to be taken into account.
     
  40. Tagaziel

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    Turn based combat can easily be done in an accessible and easy way. It's a myth that only real-time sells.

    Real time combat is also a devolution, as it doesn't allow for any complex situations or AI intricacies. The more enemies you have on screen, the less processing power is allocated to each single one.

    So all games should take the path of BioShock and become easy, borderline retarded shootfests?
     

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