He is the director of that intelligence community, how does it not reflect their views again? Who should he listen to, PFC Shaw over Tenet?
A decade? I belive they were there in '97.... And it's not as if they were kicked out, and then said "ok, we'll completley ignore them." No matter what you say, there was evidence that Saddam had NO WMDs. Besides, Bush has changed his reasoning on invading Iraq a few times already. Edit: Eh, you've only addressed 2 of my point (kinda)
Just because he points out the positive results of the invasion doesnt mean he is changing his reasoning.
positive results? "They were involved with 9/11" - not true "They have wmds"- not true "They have oil and halli...." - left unsaid "We're freeing the people" - kinda true. We control less than half of the country now, and more Iraqis are afraid of thier saftey more now than with saddam. AND there were better targets if our goal was the free people from a dictatorship.
Yes he is. The reasons we went to war turned out to be not true. But he still says he made the right decision. In effect he changed the reasons for going to war after the fact.
"They were involved with 9/11"- Bush never said that. He said they were involved with Al Qaeda, and some links have been discovered. "They have wmds"- He said it based on the Intel he had at the time. "We're freeing the people"- We control less than half? Not true. The pocket of resistance is getting smaller and smaller. It is focused in a few areas of Iraq and thats it.
I dont see how that is changing his position. He went in saying "Iraq has WMD and is a threat". That is what his intel told him. Now he is saying "I was told Iraq had WMD based on the intel I had". They are the same reason, he is just explaining it currently.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2003/09/16/cheney_link_of_iraq_911_challenged/ Is that why we can't cross the country right now? Why more and more people are being captured? Why forces are refusing to go through areas that are too dangerous to contemplate corssing?
No, he's saying that we did not make a mistake. We went to war for very specific reasons. Those reasons turned out not to be true. But the fact that Bush maintains that we didn't make a mistake means that he is changing the reasons that we went to war. Now if that doesn't bother you fine, but I have a big problem with the President justifying wars in hindsight. It's an incredibly dangerous precident.
Yea...just stereotypes man. :thumbs: Edit:You have the same sig as me steve... :O Southern representin.
heh heh...guess i should think twice before i believe the polls, ya? damn it, i don't get tomorrow off from classes! how stupid is THAT? luckily, i don't have to be in class until 10:30...
Seriously though, thank god internationals can't partake in our elections. Bush, or any republican party member, would be fawked.... Prison b¡tch style.
In a post 9/11 world where we ignored evidence too late i would rather be safe than sorry. The intel told him it had to be done, I think it is better than the alternative scenario.
Im a mix! lol Well Anglo American (Dual Nationality English/American) if you wanted to be politically correct and would vote for Kerry but I can't be bothered to register. There both as bad as each other anyway.
Well if you remember pre 9/11 bush also ignored some intellegence (bin laden determined to strike within the united states I believe was the name of the report.) Thats the one thing I can't understand for the life of me. If Bush is so strong on national security, how the hell did 9/11 ever happen?
uhhh... not at all. if anything it strengthens my argument with proof from a liberal media source. my bet is that you didnt even read the article, just saw the 'msnbc' in the url and thought you'd make a completely invalid 'point'. gg on that one.
no thanks, a little dose of reality would serve you well though yes of course i do... he DID vote against their funding. it doesnt matter what was in the bill that he didnt agree with, the main factor of that proposal was to 'fund the troops'. and he voted against it. plain and simple. you cant possibly defend that (although i see you are attempting to). halliburton has been our country's largest contractor for over 30 years, they would've received a no-bid contract in iraq no matter who was in office, just as they did in bosnia under the clinton administration. your defense of kerry is fairly weak. well, not as weak as this. citing foxnews as an attmept to dismiss the notion that the media is liberal? what is that... 2 shows v. 147,203??? ya... you're right, 'fair and balanced'. :dozey:
the majority of the american public are against legalizing gay marriages. if you are in favor of it, vote for kerry. more power to you. and that's bush's fault how? im sure clinton's failing economy, the dot.com bubble burst, 9/11, etc... none of those could've possibly been contributing factors. i agree, to an extent. we are exponentially creating more jobs every month. we have a lower unemployment rate then the average rate of the 70s, 80s, and 90s. we have the fastest growing economy in 20 years, and a higher GDP rate over the last 4 quarters, then the average every year under clinton. the vast majority of environmental proposals have been democratically (as in, NOT republican) backed and supported. so, dems = big business? ya i can concede that. sure i can, saddam refused to comply with 17 UN resolutions over the last 12 years. when he did allow inspectors in, they were denied access to various facilities and parts of the countries. so, of course they didnt see any WMDs. every respectable intelligence agency claimed saddam had WMDs and planned to use them. the simple fact is, WMDs have been found, just not to the extent we were told. but you can hardly blame bush for that.
yeah... the ones who weren't allowed into various facilities and parts of the countries. ok. we have the fastest growing economy in 20 years, in the face of clinton's economic failures and 9/11. hows that?
double posting just retarded.. but triple posting takes a special gift!!! quad-posting is retared again though
it sure is... you are just not correct by any stretch of the imagination. whats getting really old is all this ill-founded ,blind hatred of bush. new news story: nearly 400 tons of explosives are missing in iraq. 400 tons of explosives = WMDs. but wait, saddam had no WMDs! and thats just the most recently reported case.
Remember Boys And Girls, vote Kerry for president or you will be sent away to fight Bush's next war when he starts the draft up if you vote for him.
ask your precious clinton. the majority of the blame for 9/11 falls on his soldiers. not to mention bin laden in general, saddam hussein, the economy, health care, etc... i agree, bush deserves 8 months of blame, 9/11 happened under his watch. however, clinton deserves 8 years of blame.
bush has adamently protested a draft. it is the democrats who are pushing for it. so your post = :thumbs:
LOL, yeah right. Your just one of those Bush Boys. Bush is the one sending everyone to war whereas Kerry wants to stop all this war so why would he start the draft?
1) I don't live in France 2) Stop watching FOX, they show it around here, and it's more propaganda than you would get to see in old Sovjet Russia or in China, or even in the only newspaper sold in Cuba. 3) You are disgusting. You don't know the first thing about war. 4) Iraq never attacked your country. You attacked them for the wrong reasons, and being to proud (read: stupid) to admit you were fooled by your governament, you continue to believe lies upon lies to prove yourself right. 5) What the rest of the world thinks matters, yes even what the french think matters. Stop acting superior. Why would you assume that non-americans opinions are biased, distorted, or less intelligent? Everyone around here (I'm in Belgium) seems smart and educated. We all try to live a peacefull life, to prosper in health surrounded by friends and family. Why can't you agree with this view of life? Why should some people be deprived of these options because "America feels threatened". 5) Seinfeld is funny, I mean the show. You're not. But I understand there are more people who think like you, and it makes me wonder what and how they brain-feed you over there.